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		<title>By: Hendry Lee</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27974</link>
		<dc:creator>Hendry Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree this is a matter of expectation. Thanks to the &lt;em&gt;aggressive&lt;/em&gt;, probably more appropriately &lt;em&gt;hyped&lt;/em&gt; blog evangelists, businesses frequently set too high of an expectation. When I see Performancing and Nick Carr&#039;s blog, I can&#039;t help myself but amazed at how a blog could help build a group of loyal readers that not only lurk but also participate in the conversation.

But, surely not all of the blogs will have this kind of success.

For some, it maybe having an increase in referral traffic of which because they are referred by others who they trust, already possess a positive feeling about them.

Selling value works, but balancing with the right expectation helps achieve the goal easier.

This is why as Raj blog in another post, packaging becomes important. Afterall, any blog consultant or service provider should not promise what they could not deliver. Being realistic about what to deliver is critical.

But, the problem is, how we should lower clients&#039; expectations without being seen as incapable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this is a matter of expectation. Thanks to the <em>aggressive</em>, probably more appropriately <em>hyped</em> blog evangelists, businesses frequently set too high of an expectation. When I see Performancing and Nick Carr&#8217;s blog, I can&#8217;t help myself but amazed at how a blog could help build a group of loyal readers that not only lurk but also participate in the conversation.</p>
<p>But, surely not all of the blogs will have this kind of success.</p>
<p>For some, it maybe having an increase in referral traffic of which because they are referred by others who they trust, already possess a positive feeling about them.</p>
<p>Selling value works, but balancing with the right expectation helps achieve the goal easier.</p>
<p>This is why as Raj blog in another post, packaging becomes important. Afterall, any blog consultant or service provider should not promise what they could not deliver. Being realistic about what to deliver is critical.</p>
<p>But, the problem is, how we should lower clients&#8217; expectations without being seen as incapable.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think they don&#039;t even put that much thought into it. It&#039;s the equivalent of getting noticed through graffiti. &quot;Spammer Woz Ere&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think they don&#8217;t even put that much thought into it. It&#8217;s the equivalent of getting noticed through graffiti. &#8220;Spammer Woz Ere&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wilson</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27971</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that these people always think they&#039;re smarter than everyone else, and that they can get away with such amateur spamming?

You&#039;d think it might occur to them that a community like thi s wouldn&#039;t have any trouble smelling a rat, but no, we&#039;re obviously clueless morons, and billy no links there is a genius. 

pillock...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that these people always think they&#8217;re smarter than everyone else, and that they can get away with such amateur spamming?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think it might occur to them that a community like thi s wouldn&#8217;t have any trouble smelling a rat, but no, we&#8217;re obviously clueless morons, and billy no links there is a genius. </p>
<p>pillock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Clark</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27972</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you&#039;re obviously hoping to be a blogging evangelist yourself, John-Paul, here&#039;s something to think about:

These days, it&#039;s easy to click through and see that you cut and pasted your comment directly from a recent post (you even missed the same typo twice). I know it&#039;s a pain, but why not just speak to us like you&#039;re a real person?

Your site is filled with strong copy, but you&#039;re talking *at* people.  You&#039;re an old school copywriter who doesn&#039;t get that things are moving towards &quot;real&quot; conversations.

It&#039;s simple to check Technorati and confirm that just about no one links to you, and yet you&#039;ve been holding yourself out as a &quot;business blogging expert&quot; at that URL all year so far.  Certainly an *expert* would be doing better than that after 7.5 months? 

It&#039;s also easy to see that you have no community -- the only comments at your place are your own trackbacks.

So, who&#039;s telling whom about &quot;lies,&quot; JPM?

You&#039;re pretending to be something you&#039;re not, and you don&#039;t even seem to realize how easy it is to detect and call you out on it.  You may fool a few &quot;real business owners&quot; at first, but just remember -- the rest of us are still out here.

Try demonstrating that you understand blogging with your own blog (you know, so we can all see your results in real time) before you start trying to sell people your &quot;expertise&quot; products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you&#8217;re obviously hoping to be a blogging evangelist yourself, John-Paul, here&#8217;s something to think about:</p>
<p>These days, it&#8217;s easy to click through and see that you cut and pasted your comment directly from a recent post (you even missed the same typo twice). I know it&#8217;s a pain, but why not just speak to us like you&#8217;re a real person?</p>
<p>Your site is filled with strong copy, but you&#8217;re talking *at* people.  You&#8217;re an old school copywriter who doesn&#8217;t get that things are moving towards &#8220;real&#8221; conversations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple to check Technorati and confirm that just about no one links to you, and yet you&#8217;ve been holding yourself out as a &#8220;business blogging expert&#8221; at that URL all year so far.  Certainly an *expert* would be doing better than that after 7.5 months? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also easy to see that you have no community &#8212; the only comments at your place are your own trackbacks.</p>
<p>So, who&#8217;s telling whom about &#8220;lies,&#8221; JPM?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re pretending to be something you&#8217;re not, and you don&#8217;t even seem to realize how easy it is to detect and call you out on it.  You may fool a few &#8220;real business owners&#8221; at first, but just remember &#8212; the rest of us are still out here.</p>
<p>Try demonstrating that you understand blogging with your own blog (you know, so we can all see your results in real time) before you start trying to sell people your &#8220;expertise&#8221; products.</p>
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		<title>By: jpm007</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27970</link>
		<dc:creator>jpm007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for bringing attention to this topic Nick!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe it&#039;s because my partner and I are business owners, or because we exclusively work with business owners every day, and have the focus of bogging for business (not for readers) -- but the points Nick Carr makes seem obvious when viewed with a capitalist eye.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yet it&#039;s the obvious that can often be the most dangerous. Lies can be lived for a long time before a person comes to the realization that they&#039;ve bought into a lie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From my vantage point, this is the problem with the blogosphere -- bogging evangelists have bought into their own lies. And their still trying to pull others down into their time-sapping pit of lack and unfulfilled desires by laying out a host of unrealistic rules.&lt;/p&gt; 

&lt;p&gt;The business owners on our subscriber list and even many of our clients are incredibly confused with what advice they read from pro-bloggers and other bogging evangelists. That fact is what has made us decide to take the gloves off and reveal the lies scaring off business owners in a new multi-part article series [link removed].&lt;/p&gt; 

&lt;p&gt;(Would love to hear your comments and/or contributions on the thoughts put forth since you&#039;re running a real business.) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bottom line is (at least for business owners) is that bogging is a very powerful tool for marketing, but it&#039;s only powerful when combined with a broader New Media focus and a complete click-and-mortar marketing strategy.&lt;/p&gt;  

&lt;p&gt;Aloha!&lt;/p&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing attention to this topic Nick!</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because my partner and I are business owners, or because we exclusively work with business owners every day, and have the focus of bogging for business (not for readers) &#8212; but the points Nick Carr makes seem obvious when viewed with a capitalist eye.</p>
<p>Yet it&#8217;s the obvious that can often be the most dangerous. Lies can be lived for a long time before a person comes to the realization that they&#8217;ve bought into a lie.</p>
<p>From my vantage point, this is the problem with the blogosphere &#8212; bogging evangelists have bought into their own lies. And their still trying to pull others down into their time-sapping pit of lack and unfulfilled desires by laying out a host of unrealistic rules.</p>
<p>The business owners on our subscriber list and even many of our clients are incredibly confused with what advice they read from pro-bloggers and other bogging evangelists. That fact is what has made us decide to take the gloves off and reveal the lies scaring off business owners in a new multi-part article series [link removed].</p>
<p>(Would love to hear your comments and/or contributions on the thoughts put forth since you&#8217;re running a real business.) </p>
<p>The bottom line is (at least for business owners) is that bogging is a very powerful tool for marketing, but it&#8217;s only powerful when combined with a broader New Media focus and a complete click-and-mortar marketing strategy.</p>
<p>Aloha!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wilson</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27969</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeh, i remember it well tcw 

This makes interesting reading too, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro-markets/?p=343&quot;&gt;Donna  Bogatin weighing in&lt;/a&gt;, and giving both mike arrington and jason calacanis a slap in the process...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeh, i remember it well tcw </p>
<p>This makes interesting reading too, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro-markets/?p=343">Donna  Bogatin weighing in</a>, and giving both mike arrington and jason calacanis a slap in the process&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TCWriter</title>
		<link>http://performancing.com/is_blog_evangelism_cruel/comment-page-1/#comment-27968</link>
		<dc:creator>TCWriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did laugh at his &quot;royals vs. peasants&quot; metaphor. Amusing, and probably accurate. For all the blogosphere&#039;s talk about democracy and empowerment, in some sectors we&#039;ve successfully revived the caste system. 

Still, Carr&#039;s on my RSS feed ever since I stumbled across &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/03/seven_rules_for.php&quot;&gt;his anti-corporate blogging post&lt;/A&gt; (rule #1: don&#039;t do it). I&#039;d largely forgotten it, but given our recent discussions here, I thought it might be good reading...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did laugh at his &#8220;royals vs. peasants&#8221; metaphor. Amusing, and probably accurate. For all the blogosphere&#8217;s talk about democracy and empowerment, in some sectors we&#8217;ve successfully revived the caste system. </p>
<p>Still, Carr&#8217;s on my RSS feed ever since I stumbled across <a HREF="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/03/seven_rules_for.php">his anti-corporate blogging post</a> (rule #1: don&#8217;t do it). I&#8217;d largely forgotten it, but given our recent discussions here, I thought it might be good reading&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chrisbrogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisbrogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a matter of expecations. This is a situation where typewriters became presses, and the assumption was that attention would follow along. Many voices singing at the same time aren&#039;t a choir. Blogs aren&#039;t doomed, but people&#039;s collective attention to blogs, I believe, is. I wrote about it at my site, which is yet another standalone voice, until such time as I build a multi-user platform like this one. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a matter of expecations. This is a situation where typewriters became presses, and the assumption was that attention would follow along. Many voices singing at the same time aren&#8217;t a choir. Blogs aren&#8217;t doomed, but people&#8217;s collective attention to blogs, I believe, is. I wrote about it at my site, which is yet another standalone voice, until such time as I build a multi-user platform like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the perspective on a subject that was otherwise sorely lacking in it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the perspective on a subject that was otherwise sorely lacking in it.</p>
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